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This Working Page gathers together information about the [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballWiki MeatballWiki site], gleaned from various sources.

== MeatballWiki in Wikipedia articles  ==
'''The  Wikipedia article about MeatballWiki'''<br>
The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatball_Wiki Wikipedia MeatballWiki article] states that MeatballWiki is a wiki dedicated to online communities, culture and hypermedia, which was the launching point for various wiki-based projects, and has become a central resource for the wider wiki community. The Wikipedia article also states that:
* MeatballWiki hosted a project journal concerning design of UseModWiki, a wiki program developed by Clifford Adams and used by MeatballWiki.
* MeatballWiki promoted the key concept of "barn raising": [[Sunir Shah]] created the first internet barnstar award there.
* MeatballWiki is a sister company of WikiWikiWeb, the first Wiki to be created.

'''The Wikipedia Discussion Page about MeatballWiki (and the Deletion Discussion Archive)'''<br>
Additional information can be found on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MeatballWiki Wikipedia MeatballWiki Talk] page. The MeatballWiki article was proposed for deletion but the decision was made to keep it. See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MeatballWiki Deletion Discussion Archive]. The reasons for deletion seem to have been that the article cited no sources and concerned a site with insufficient notability (notoriety). The full list of deletion arguments is given at the head of the Deletion Discussion Archive.

The main arguments for keeping the MeatballWiki article were that it was one of the oldest wikis, that its members were involved in developing what eventually became the Wikipedia software, and that the site remains a mine of useful information. It was also mentioned that MeatballWiki is often referred to on the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Meta-Wiki site].

MeatballWiki mainstay SunirShah makes an appearance on the Deletion Discussion Archive, stating in particular: "I'm not entirely sure what you mean by citing sources ... The site is public. You can go see it yourself." Someone replied that the mere existence of the site is no substitute for citing sources, because investigating the site itself would consitute original research. At any rate a few citations seem to have been found. Note also that SunirShah is apparently considered to lack sufficient notability to merit a Wikipedia article: "SunirShah" redirects to "MeatballWiki".

Also on the Discussion Page, someone expresses surprize that the article remains merely a stub. And several users feel it should be merged with the article on Clifford Adams, since both articles are very short.

'''MeatballWiki in the Wikipedia article on WikiWikiWeb'''<br>
In the Wikipedia artile on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_wiki_web Wiki Wiki Web] the MeatBallWiki is listed as a "designated sister site" of the WikiWikiWeb. It is number 3 on the list in terms of number of pages (it tags in at 4622 pages, after WikiWikiWeb at 32138 and WhyClublet et 4777). Its founders are listed as Clifford Adams and Sunir Shah. (Who is 
Richard Drake who founded WhyClublet?)

'''MeatballWiki in the Wikipedia article on UseModWiki'''<br>
Clifford Adams started developing the wiki engine [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UseModWiki UseModWiki] in 1999 for his Usenet Moderation (Usemod) Project. Adams used the Perl programming language and took the code from AtisWiki, which was based on CvWiki, in turn based on Wiki Base, the wiki engine of the WikiWikiWeb. Pages in UseModWiki are stored in ordinary files, not in a relational database. 

The first wiki to use UseModWiki was Clifford Adams's own usemod.com site. The second was MeatballWiki, created by Adams and Sunir Shah and dedicated to online communities. MeatballWiki was installed on the same usemod.com website in 2000. For most of 2001, UseModWiki was used to run all versions of Wikipedia. WikiWikiWeb's sister wiki the Adjunct, started in 2005, also runs on UseModWiki. UseModWiki is probably the most popular wiki software due to the relatively little computing power required and its ease of installation.


== Exploring MeatballWiki ==

http://usemod.com

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