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This Working Page gathers together information about [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballWiki MeatballWiki], gleaned from the MeatballWiki site as well as various other sources.

This information was used to exand the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatball_Wiki Wikipedia MeatballWiki article].
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== MeatballWiki: General Interest Pages ==
MeatballWiki is still installed on the [http://usemod.com usemod.com] website, alongside the UseModWiki:<br>
UseMod homepage: http://usemod.com<br>
UseModWiki: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl<br>
MeatballWiki: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl<br>

'''About MeatballWiki:'''<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballBackgrounder<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballProject<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MeatballMission<br>

'''The Wiki Tour Bus:'''<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?TourBus<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?TourBusStop<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?TourBusMap<br>

'''Wiki Philosophy:'''<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiWay<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?IncidentalCollaboration<br>
http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?RatingGroups<br>

== MeatballWiki: Esoteric Pages ==

http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?InterWiki<br>

http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ModWiki<br>

== MeatballWiki in Wikipedia articles  ==
'''The  Wikipedia article about MeatballWiki'''<br>
The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatball_Wiki Wikipedia MeatballWiki article] states that MeatballWiki is a wiki dedicated to online communities, culture and hypermedia, which was the launching point for various wiki-based projects, and has become a central resource for the wider wiki community. The Wikipedia article also states that:
* MeatballWiki hosted a project journal concerning design of UseModWiki, a wiki program developed by Clifford Adams and used by MeatballWiki.
* MeatballWiki promoted the key concept of "barn raising": [[Sunir Shah]] created the first internet barnstar award there.
* MeatballWiki is a sister company of WikiWikiWeb, the first Wiki to be created.

'''The Wikipedia Discussion Page about MeatballWiki (and the Deletion Discussion Archive)'''<br>
Additional information can be found on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MeatballWiki Wikipedia MeatballWiki Talk] page. The MeatballWiki article was proposed for deletion but the decision was made to keep it. See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MeatballWiki Deletion Discussion Archive]. The reasons for deletion seem to have been that the article cited no sources and concerned a site with insufficient notability (notoriety). The full list of deletion arguments is given at the head of the Deletion Discussion Archive.

The main arguments for keeping the MeatballWiki article were that it was one of the oldest wikis, that its members were involved in developing what eventually became the Wikipedia software, and that the site remains a mine of useful information. It was also mentioned that MeatballWiki is often referred to on the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Meta-Wiki site].

MeatballWiki mainstay SunirShah makes an appearance on the Deletion Discussion Archive, stating in particular: "I'm not entirely sure what you mean by citing sources ... The site is public. You can go see it yourself." Someone replied that the mere existence of the site is no substitute for citing sources, because investigating the site itself would consitute original research. At any rate a few citations seem to have been found. Note also that SunirShah is apparently considered to lack sufficient notability to merit a Wikipedia article: "SunirShah" redirects to "MeatballWiki".

Also on the Discussion Page, someone expresses surprize that the article remains merely a stub. And several users feel it should be merged with the article on Clifford Adams, since both articles are very short.

'''MeatballWiki in the Wikipedia article on WikiWikiWeb'''<br>
In the Wikipedia artile on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_wiki_web Wiki Wiki Web] the MeatBallWiki is listed as a "designated sister site" of the WikiWikiWeb. It is number 3 on the list in terms of number of pages (it tags in at 4622 pages, after WikiWikiWeb at 32138 and WhyClublet et 4777). Its founders are listed as Clifford Adams and Sunir Shah. (Who is 
Richard Drake who founded WhyClublet?)

'''MeatballWiki in the Wikipedia article on UseModWiki'''<br>
Clifford Adams started developing the wiki engine [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UseModWiki UseModWiki] in 1999 for his Usenet Moderation (Usemod) Project. Adams used the Perl programming language and took the code from AtisWiki, which was based on CvWiki, in turn based on Wiki Base, the wiki engine of the WikiWikiWeb. Pages in UseModWiki are stored in ordinary files, not in a relational database. 

The first wiki to use UseModWiki was Clifford Adams's own usemod.com site. The second was MeatballWiki, created by Adams and Sunir Shah and dedicated to online communities. MeatballWiki was installed on the same usemod.com website in 2000. For most of 2001, UseModWiki was used to run all versions of Wikipedia. WikiWikiWeb's sister wiki the Adjunct, started in 2005, also runs on UseModWiki. UseModWiki is probably the most popular wiki software due to the relatively little computing power required and its ease of installation.

'''Other Wikipedia articles about MeatballWiki'''<br>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_MeatballWiki<br>

== MeatballWiki on other Websites  ==

http://www.wikiindex.org/MeatballWiki<br>
MeatballWiki is a wiki forum running on the wiki engine UseModWiki and started by Ontarian computer fan SunirShah on CliffordAdams's Internet domain usemod.com. (Note that, despite being on the same Internet domain, MeatballWiki is not part of Adams's wiki forum for demonstration of the wiki engine UseModWiki and which, like the wiki engine, is also called UseModWiki.) MeatballWiki was started to avoid discussion of "Wiki on Wiki" (discussion about WikiWikiWeb on its own pages). MeatballWiki describes the general tendencies observed on wikis and other on-line communities, for example the life cycles of wikis and people's behavior on them.<br> 
MeatballWiki is a useful guide for on-line community practitioners, mostly in English, but a fair amount in French and some community members are German.<br> 
Meatball also hosts the first TourBusStop, check out the WikiIndex:TourBusStop and is part of the RealNamesNetwork.<br>

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MeatballWiki<br>
Meatball is a loose grouping of people who are interested in online communities, culture and hypermedia. We talk mostly on MeatballWiki and sometimes on the MeatballMailingList. The original goal was to focus on CollaborativeHypermedia but topics have ranged from intellectual property to CyberPunk to the confusion of UniformResourceIdentifiers. Occasionally, some of us bother to stop blathering and do some real work. You'll find some project journals on MeatballWiki too.<br>
Community discussions about how to run the community itself should be left here. Abstract discussions, or objective analyses of community are encouraged on MeatballWiki. -- SunirShah<br>

http://www.aboutus.org/MeatballWiki<br>
Although they are run on the same Internet domain, MeatballWiki is not part of the forum for UseModWiki. Founded in 2000 by Sunir Shah, MeatballWiki started as a place to have discussions about Wiki in a place outside of the original WikiWikiWeb located on Ward Cunningham's C2.com. This was to prevent "Wiki on Wiki" discussions on WikiWikiWeb.<br> 
The community at MeatballWiki is a vibrant one, with the intent of helping online communities, culture and hypermedia. They also offer observations about other wikis and online communities. MeatballWiki, being a community about communities has itself become the launching point for other wiki-based projects and is a defacto resource for broader wiki concepts such as TheWikiWay. 
One of the key concepts of MeatballWiki is that of BarnRaising -- the community gathering and collectively building towards a specific goal. The idea stems from the thought that it is nearly impossible for one person to build a barn, but through a community actively deciding to take on a specific goal, collaboration happens in ways that make the impossible possible, along the way this provides a social event where in members of a community learn about each other and become friends and really knit together as a community. The concept of "Barnstars" used on MeatballWiki, Wikipedia and many other wikis comes from this as a way of awarding and celebrating individuals within the community who helped with the monumental tasks. 

http://www.asis.org/Conferences/AM04/abstracts/114.html<br>
Sunir Shah edits the MeatballWiki, a “metawiki” focused on building online communities. Self-defined as a "community of communities: an intercommunity or metacommunity", it seems to be a community only because it is a group of people that has come together online to talk about what it means to be a community. What differentiates the MeatballWiki from many online meta-communities is that participants spend most of their time talking about sociology rather than technology; and when they do talk about technology, they do so in a social context.

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/what-is-a-wiki/4<br>
Wikis make great community sites, as well. Many wiki software packages allow users to register for usernames, putting a face to all the changes a particular person makes. The MeatballWiki is a hub for such online communities. Wiki-ers from all over use to MeatballWiki to come together and link their wikis with each other. The MeatballWiki members have even created a clever, creative tour bus trip of wikis.

http://socialsynergy.typepad.com/social_synergy/2007/05/citizendium_san.html<br>
It seems that forking in wiki communities is almost inevitable. And, forking need not be adversarial in nature. For instance, MeatballWiki is a fork of the original WikiWikiWeb. Later, CommunityWiki was a fork of MeatballWiki. It was originally an adversarial fork, but relationships re-established over time, and now both communities are close. OBM Wiki Hive is a non-adversarial fork of CommunityWiki, and is set up as a "wiki hive" to encourage forking.<br>

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